In this episode of Dialogue Unbound, host and Dialogue co-editor Caroline Kline is joined by Katie Ludlow Rich, Liz Johnson, and Dialogue’s production editor Daniel Foster Smith for a wide-ranging conversation about the hit series Secret Lives of Mormon Wives. Together, they dig into what the show captures—and what it obscures—about contemporary Mormon womanhood.

How does the series frame gender norms, family roles, and the cultural pressures Latter-day Saint women face? What can feminist analysis reveal about the rituals, performances, and silences embedded in influencer culture? And what happens when Mormon identity is staged for mass media consumption?

Our guests bring deep insight and lived experience to these questions:

Katie Ludlow Rich is a writer, mother, and coeditor of Fifty Years of Exponent II, forthcoming from Signature Books in 2025. Her work explores the intersections of Mormon feminism, history, and contemporary lived experience.

Liz Johnson is a writer and media critic whose work examines representations of gender, religion, and domesticity, with particular attention to Mormon women in digital spaces.

This episode explores everything from the aesthetics of Mormon motherhood to the limits of “aspirational” authenticity. Whether you’ve binged the show or are just curious about the cultural moment it represents, this conversation offers sharp, generous, and thought-provoking perspectives.